Step-By-Step Guide To Our Spread Betting Futures Strategy With CMC Markets
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Hey guys! We recently created a video showing how we’re using spread betting to invest in a portfolio of financial futures with 3x leverage, so that in theory we make killer tax-free returns over the long-term.
Our strategy essentially applies all the basics of long-term index investing that we know historically has produced an 11% return and leverages the portfolio to maximise our profits – theoretically making 33% annually less any financing costs.
The response to that first video has been amazing, with so many of you pleading for a step-by-step guide to our spread betting strategy.
Well, we don’t like to disappoint, so in today’s video we’re thrilled to be sharing with you exactly how we’re spread betting with financial futures. Let’s check it out…
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Hey #moneyunshackled , which platform would you recommend to invest in NASDAQ 100 from UK?
Thank you, thank you, thank you guys! 🙏
How does this compare to leveraged instruments like UPRO of SPXL?
What’s he done to his hair??
Will a margin call not occur based on asset level? For example, if the S and P loses over 35% wouldn’t you receive a margin call on that one instrument even if the overall portfolio combined remained within the required margin?
this is crazy complicated and I still feel that x2 leverage etf on 212 is safer due to no worry about margin call and not loosing more money than i put in with no risk of owing the etf provider if there is a sudden massive drop
Sorry too complicated for me!! Don’t invest in something you can’t explain yourself to someone else!!!
I feel like I understand the principal of what you are trying to do and I have been playing around with the demo account. But I still don't understand how you plan to deal with market dips, as you state you plan to increase leverage beyond x3 until market recovery. How is this safe? Surely, the account is already close to margin call and if the dip lasts longer than just the one SPX contract it will trigger? Unless you reset with an additional cash injection, or try to time the market which is risky. What am I missing Money Unshackled wizards?
Hi, great video and thanks for introducing this. You mention back testing information in some of the comments below – where this information available at ? would like to check it out . Thanks again
Good video boys
Bros. I Have waited for this amzaing video content. Just a question though. As far as I could remember, when it comes to leverage, wont we set a stop in case a financial crisis hits the market? The last thing we would not want to find out is, waking up 8am in the morning with 80 missed calls from your broker saying you need to fund your -£50,000 to keep your position open as a new covid variant hits the whole world again. Just asking though. 🤷♂️ im no expert here. Please dont bash me. Lol.
Good lads and nice hair
Love the videos guys. Can you clarify one thing. In the video you mention that the position was closed out as the gold rolled-over. With these bets do you have to settle when they rollover? Cheers
You don’t mention stop losses. If there’s a flash crash in equities you may get stopped out at x3 leverage and not have time to get back in. Your videos are excellent.
I think your strategy of using limited leverage on a low volatility portfolio has real potential. There is much more choice of ETFs on CMC than pure indexes but am I right in thinking these would be cash bets and too expensive to finance for long term positions compared to index futures? Is there scope to spread bet REITs as an alternative to buy to let investments leveraged with mortgages? Thanks and keep up the good work lads.👍
So put very simply is this like investing 3000 but the company puts in 6000 so you are leveraging to have a total of say 9000 invested. The company then takes a larger percentage off you as the cost of borrowing this money. And if the market were for example to go down 10% would you actually lose 30% of your initial amount. Is this along the correct lines?
Thanks guys, appreciate you sharing the approach. I may start with a trial account. One question, if the contracts are set to auto roll over, why would you need to close and repurchase? I didn't understand that, any clarity you can give would be great.
Keep up the good work, love the channel!
Think I’ll wait on this one as well. Do post regular updates and I’ll maybe join at a later date.
Do you have a link to your spreadsheet? Thank you
Cheers lads 👍
Great video guys can you try this on a demo account before you pull the trigger ?
Thanks!
Great video guys. Think I'll need to do bit more research to be comfortable with the mechanics of it all. Got to say though to continually build up the pot by adding funds and rebalancing monthly would take some serious balls! The prospect of losing it all (fully appreciate the risks are somewhat mitigated) would give me some seriously twitchy arse moments and I think everyone would have a point where they'd feel the need to syphon off profits. Classic risk vs reward conundrum, butI'm personally seeing this as a way for quicker growth on a smaller pot – or a chance to really jump on the back of a recovery if the signs are there after a crash
If these two were so financially invest savy clever they now would be €£$ loaded and no need to bother with these uploads.
Great vid. Thank you. If I'm calculating correctly according to spread numbers in product overview then the costs really are wafer thin. S&P 500 £0.70 to open minimum position and 3 roll overs for the year would cost a total of £1.05 – so opening 0.1 stake S&P 500 would cost £1.75 that first year and £1.40 per year for subsequent years held open(4 x roll over). US T bonds = £0.88 for the first year for a minimum 0.1 stake and only £0.50 for gold for the year. Total cost on minimum positions for all 3 assets would be £3.13 for 1 year hold. So, £3.13 for a notional portfolio value of £7000. Thats about 0.045% cost per annum assuming you just open and leave to roll over during the next 12 months. The subsequent year would be even cheaper. Looks like a crazy low cost. If you re-balance in between roll overs as suggested there is a closing cost and of course a new opening cost but the numbers are so small. Anyone able to check my calculations?
Got to these same conclusions some time ago. The only difference is I have money aside to cover 100%. Us markets are very high, high flash can occur at any time. But spread Bet is another way to avoid CGT for sure. Great content guys. Very useful.
Thanks guys! Awesome!
Since your first video I've become intrigued. Why not use Ultra (30yr) T-bonds to hopefully benefit from falling interest rates during drawdowns? And what about adding some European, Japanese or other equity futures for international diversification?
I'll get around to running some numbers. It'll be good to simulate returns in higher interest environments where the implied futures financing rate is higher.
Look into Rick Guerin who was with Buffett.
Might be a better strategy after a crash?
How do you change margin?
Even with the step by step this is still complicated (hope that's not just me).
Will have to watch this video a few more times as I want to understand it rather than just blithely follow, clever idea though.
Thanks for all your work, great videos.
Thanks waited for this thanks a lot 😀👍🏻
Thanks guys for explaining it thoroughly, I'll dig more into it with a demo account first
I think spread betting the SP 500 is a great instrument to trade…but as your positions mature and grow from pennies to tens of pounds. I feel you would experience massive pressure on any minor or major correction. Having said this, I still think it has great potential. My suggestion is going from totally passive to semi-active. Possibly wide trailing stops based on support and resistance selling a percentage of position when supports are broken and reinstating position when rising through resistance. This might not be the answer but would help with your sanity on big draw downs. Interested to hear yours and everybody’s opinions on this one. MTM.
Any reason why you chose short term futures. Assume the roll over costs are going to cost you more in long term. Get you will pay more upfront on the spread.
One thing that will never lie to you, are calculations and compound interest, you guys have obviously done your home work on this, my hope is you do regular updates, on how things are moving. I genuinely believe you will do very well with this I watch with interest.
December futures is a short time period, unlike opening a 12+ month option. Can easily suffer realised losses. Rolling it (with realised losses) is not the equivalent of a long term hold.
This was as useful as a chocolate teapot… 🙂
Good video, gonna have a think and maybe give a demo account ago first. Slight critique is I wish you had gone into the fees a little more, perhaps you can do a cmc platform review as a follow up? Cheers
And here comes the like I promised you… 🙂
One thing that worries me about this strategy is that you've gone in when the S&P500 is very high- at all time highs. If there were to be a significant downturn, of for example, March 2022 proportions, could you not receive a margin call (i.e. a call to deposit more money) in order to keep your positions open?
Good video thanks guys. With CMC Markets you can open a demo account so you can practice without using your money until confident you know what you’re doing. Also don’t accidentally click “Sell” instead of “Buy” or you will be betting for stocks to go down (Shorting) not up.
Anyone who bought or is buying their house with a mortgage is leveraging so its common in most peoples lives.
For me I still think contango is an unquantifiable risk as well as long duration sovereigns. Ill 60/40 but use short duration T bills to avoid the duration risk and monitor interest rates. That will reduce the standard deviation also.
Stochastic modelling is not a reliable model given the current monetary situation.
Lads, I love your content generally, but this video is, well, irresponsible. The risk of your strategy is IMMENSE. No mention of stop loss. This video should be re-labelled: How to lose all your money quickly. Very fucking quickly.